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we've known the obama administration uses them but the legal justification was revealed and be a big topic at brennan's hearing thursday before the senate about the c.i.a. can i play a sound bite and go back? this is jonathan karl and jay carney. >> how does dropping a bomb on an american citizen without judicial review, any trial, not raise more human rights question than something like waterboarding. >> the questions around this issue are important and the president takes them seriously. >> let's be clear, this is giving legal justification for killing american citizens without any trial whatsoever. >> i would point you to the ample judicial precedent for the idea someone who takes up arsenal against the united states in a war against the united states is an enemy. >> bob, you wanted to say something. >> holder said eminent threat to the united states. the condition a leader present an imminent threat does not require united states to have clear evidence of a specific attack will take place in the immediate future. in other words, they can drop a drone on a u.s. citizens with no ju
we've known the obama administration uses them but the legal justification was revealed and be a big topic at brennan's hearing thursday before the senate about the c.i.a. can i play a sound bite and go back? this is jonathan karl and jay carney. >> how does dropping a bomb on an american citizen without judicial review, any trial, not raise more human rights question than something like waterboarding. >> the questions around this issue are important and the president takes them...
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jon: the obama administration is set to take drastic new steps to tackle a growing security threat. what the administration has planned and what it could mean for your online safety. plus, new fears that terror group hezbollah may be targeting the united states. the latest on that in a live report next. i'm serious, we compare our direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented that. it's like a sauna in here. helping you save, even if it's not with us -- now, that's progressive! call or click today. no mas pantalones! jenna: "happening now" sources are telling fox the obama administration is weighing tougher action on cyber security preparing a new threat assessment in the wake of some of these high profile incidences that we've been talking to you a lot about, including this recent attack on the energy department. also there is some other attacks and threats from countries like china and iran and russia and other hot spots around the world that's really caught the att
jon: the obama administration is set to take drastic new steps to tackle a growing security threat. what the administration has planned and what it could mean for your online safety. plus, new fears that terror group hezbollah may be targeting the united states. the latest on that in a live report next. i'm serious, we compare our direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented...
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tehran has found another way to provoke the obama administration. amy kellogg has more from london. >> iran just released footage it claimed it extracted from a drone captured in 2011. footage of the pentagon will not confirm if s authentic. not only can it reverse engineer and mass produce spy planes now but it's collected data from the sentinel surveillance craft it intercepted. as sanctions against iran are tightening. the supreme leader rejects joe biden's suggestion that direct negotiations between the two countries might be possible. >> i'm not a diplomat, i'm a revolutionary and negotiations can only be meaningful when the other party shows goodwill. when they don't show goodwill, talks are meaningless. >> u.s. is accused of holding a gun to iran but six powers which includes the united states is expected to meet the nuclear team next month. while the sanctions are hurting iran's economy they are not thwarting nuclear advancement. >> to make these advanced centrifuges, suggests they are moving fast ahead on their program. >> one note on the s
tehran has found another way to provoke the obama administration. amy kellogg has more from london. >> iran just released footage it claimed it extracted from a drone captured in 2011. footage of the pentagon will not confirm if s authentic. not only can it reverse engineer and mass produce spy planes now but it's collected data from the sentinel surveillance craft it intercepted. as sanctions against iran are tightening. the supreme leader rejects joe biden's suggestion that direct...
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the obama administration saying this is an indication that spending cuts, what republicans calling for, don't necessarily work. the thing that is sort of looming over this mixed bag, this economy picture that we got this week, are, of course, these fiscal fights coming up on the horizon. republicans and democrats will have to deal with that. first up, the sequester which could potentially work in deeper spending cuts to defense spending, nondiscretionary spending. that's something that the white house, that congress will really have to deal with, and that's sort of first up on the list of fiscal fights in a series of them, alex, on the horizon. >> kristen welker, thank you for that. we'll see you in the best of office politics in a half an hour. >>> later on, new campaign for immigration reform. a new report suggests it may not be much of a help for the republican party which lost the hispanic vote in historic numbers in november. the story in 30 minutes or so. >>> also new this morning, new details about the man allegedly behind the deadly terror attack in turkey. suicide bomber repor
the obama administration saying this is an indication that spending cuts, what republicans calling for, don't necessarily work. the thing that is sort of looming over this mixed bag, this economy picture that we got this week, are, of course, these fiscal fights coming up on the horizon. republicans and democrats will have to deal with that. first up, the sequester which could potentially work in deeper spending cuts to defense spending, nondiscretionary spending. that's something that the...
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so the obama administration is trying to compromise here. it is now ex- -- it exempted churches and -- catholic hospitals and the like from buying their female employees contraceptions. it doesn't apply to private companies likes yours. what's your reaction this morning? >> right, carol. you know, the -- what's being offered is disappointing. thing it doesn't do, it doesn't do anything for religious business owners. that's disappointing, the administration continues to say business owners don't have any religious rights in connection with their business. second thing it doesn't do, it doesn't expand the exemption at all. the administration admits the religious employer exemption, which really separate religious organizations from these -- from the drugs and practices, does not expand at all. what the proposal does is propose a bookkeeping arrangement. unfortunately it is still going to leave many religious organizations still tangled up with practices that they oppose. it also seems that the government is not really sure how that is supposed
so the obama administration is trying to compromise here. it is now ex- -- it exempted churches and -- catholic hospitals and the like from buying their female employees contraceptions. it doesn't apply to private companies likes yours. what's your reaction this morning? >> right, carol. you know, the -- what's being offered is disappointing. thing it doesn't do, it doesn't do anything for religious business owners. that's disappointing, the administration continues to say business owners...
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all we have to do is step back and look at what happened with the obama administration and eight years of the bush and carter administration. they don't want to negotiate. they are hell bent on going to have a nuclear weapon and we must finally realize that and take the appropriate covert action without describing it here to stop that from happening. >> this s another story that made headlines. contentous hearingings over chuck hagel's nomination for secretary. we'll listen to that right now. >>ip am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show you refuse tod answer the qui. now please go ahead. >> there is john mccain among the senators who were grilling hagel about his views on issues ranging from iran to israel. were you surprised by the way hagel conducted himself? in they felt he should have been more prepared? >> i astonished really. i know he's more skill would than that. you would have thought with all . publicity he would have had good scripted answers and looked down and responded that way and clearly the sturge was a success. he could have said i like man
all we have to do is step back and look at what happened with the obama administration and eight years of the bush and carter administration. they don't want to negotiate. they are hell bent on going to have a nuclear weapon and we must finally realize that and take the appropriate covert action without describing it here to stop that from happening. >> this s another story that made headlines. contentous hearingings over chuck hagel's nomination for secretary. we'll listen to that right...
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susan colins says fundamental principals are at stake. >> the obama administration released all these opinions from the office of legal council about the bush administration's treatment of detainees. so why the different stad. >> first reported by nbc news, a leaked draft memo argues americans such as anwar al awlaki, the first american targeted for death, you are lawful because of their leadership within al-qaeda among other factors. >> our primary concern is keep american people safe. but to do so in a way consistent with our laws and consistent with our values. >> when pushed to explain how an american can be deemed an imminent threat with no evidence of a plot, jay carney reached for the same explanation. >> it's necessary to mitigate threats. >> the acu says there's a disconnect. >> there's no court in the united states or anywhere around the world that would accept this view that a president, one person, can decide how and when to kill their own citizens without checks or balances. >> the senator's letter is the most forceful that lawmakers may stop or block mr. obama's nominee
susan colins says fundamental principals are at stake. >> the obama administration released all these opinions from the office of legal council about the bush administration's treatment of detainees. so why the different stad. >> first reported by nbc news, a leaked draft memo argues americans such as anwar al awlaki, the first american targeted for death, you are lawful because of their leadership within al-qaeda among other factors. >> our primary concern is keep american...
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a tactic against terror which has grown 700% under the obama administration. whatever the benefit of the drone strikes, they have created enormous resentment among some here in the region, who view the strikes as another sign of american arrogance. everywhere i travel, from yemen -- >> i think americans, they are not right. th have no right to -- it is our fight. >> reporter: to pakistan. >> you can keep saying, yes, you are hitting the top leadership, but the byproduct of this is anger, anger among people, the innocent people who are getting killed. so, you are just creating more terrorists. >> reporter: now, the man who signs off on the kill list, from a basement office in the white house, john brennan, about to be questioned in front of the world. >> i suggest to you that these targeted strikes are indeed ethical and just. >> reporter: in pakistan alone, there are been more than 300 drone strikes in the last decade. killing thousands of al qaeda and taliban, but more than 300 civilians, as well. a world away, in remote villages, you can hear them. like a di
a tactic against terror which has grown 700% under the obama administration. whatever the benefit of the drone strikes, they have created enormous resentment among some here in the region, who view the strikes as another sign of american arrogance. everywhere i travel, from yemen -- >> i think americans, they are not right. th have no right to -- it is our fight. >> reporter: to pakistan. >> you can keep saying, yes, you are hitting the top leadership, but the byproduct of...
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administration. but these were policies that needed to be in place before 2001 and were not. they went through the pain and the agony and the reputational problems of the years of the bush administration, but when president obama took office, then even despite the rhetoric and the inconsistencies of what they criticized president bush for, it looks like to me they kept most he of those policies. that's good. >> brennan was there under bush. he kept a lot of the policies. >> excuse me. there are more holes in this testimony than a fat man's ham mock. that's pretty good, right. >> much better than swiss cheese. >> we never get answers on benghazi. we never got the two answers, why were the calls for help ignored, who pushed the video. we get more answers if congress gathered around a ouija board, and the benghazi suspect is free while the film maker is in jail. which reminds me as we tape this, there's still a manhunt for this cop killer in the woods of california, and i heard susan rice is already arr
administration. but these were policies that needed to be in place before 2001 and were not. they went through the pain and the agony and the reputational problems of the years of the bush administration, but when president obama took office, then even despite the rhetoric and the inconsistencies of what they criticized president bush for, it looks like to me they kept most he of those policies. that's good. >> brennan was there under bush. he kept a lot of the policies. >> excuse...
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it is the obama administration foreign policy. now if she does it well it is going to go wrong because the direction of the white house is going wrong anyway. she can be mediocre, otherwise she won't be a good secretary of state. the bottom line is looking at the facts. madam secretary said that there were many people in congress to criticize her who did not look at facts. i'm worried the demint -- administration is looking at facts. in libya did not realize they had militia that were enemies. that is the mother of all problems. lou: whether it is libya, whether it is afghanistan, the questions compound themselves, and now president obama makes it clear that we will have even as he is cutting budgets and talking about further cuts in the defense budget pursuing larger missions in, of all places, north africa. >> well, i think we need to prevent the spread of terrorism to north africa because as we learned in afghanistan. lou: it is too late. >> no pomade is not. lou: it is there. >> but you cannot prove it. it takes persistence an
it is the obama administration foreign policy. now if she does it well it is going to go wrong because the direction of the white house is going wrong anyway. she can be mediocre, otherwise she won't be a good secretary of state. the bottom line is looking at the facts. madam secretary said that there were many people in congress to criticize her who did not look at facts. i'm worried the demint -- administration is looking at facts. in libya did not realize they had militia that were enemies....
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well as we know white paper obama administration was leaked. we know more of the legal parameters that the administration cites for the use of drones to attack and to kill american citizens. the target must be and target must be a, quote, senior operational leader that poses an imminent threat and the decision could be made by informed high level official of the u.s. government. steve, do those seem reasonable guidelines? >> any time you have the u.s. governmental killing a u.s. citizen without due process it would have to give you pause. if you look the way president obama, he demagogued the issue in the campaign and things he said afterwards, there is tremendous amount of hypocrisy from the white house. we are talking about by the administration over water boarding enhanced interrogations where you would be subjecting a non-u.s. citizen to interrogations versus this kind of killing of american citizen. i think there is a lot of hypocrisy involved. just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean it's the wrong policy. i think that the language pro
well as we know white paper obama administration was leaked. we know more of the legal parameters that the administration cites for the use of drones to attack and to kill american citizens. the target must be and target must be a, quote, senior operational leader that poses an imminent threat and the decision could be made by informed high level official of the u.s. government. steve, do those seem reasonable guidelines? >> any time you have the u.s. governmental killing a u.s. citizen...
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. >> the approach that the obama administration is following is consistent with and really derived from the bush administration approach to the war on terror and i think it's entirely sensible. >> do you agree with that? lindsey graham saying totally sensible. >> we are fighting a war that's much different than the classic and traditional wars that we have fought in the past. the result of that is the methods of fighting that war and the way that americans are involved in the war are different than what they have in the past. and so, we're really in a process today of a much maturing way of handling these, of looking at them. i think there's going to be a robust discussion amongst the american people as to how we actually do that. what you're seeing with the brennan nomination hearing today is going to be the tip of the iceberg. we've been discussing this for a long time. >> yes. >> within the intelligence committee. >> and the president directed as we discussed the justice department to give congressional intelligence committee access to the classified memos and i want to play what the
. >> the approach that the obama administration is following is consistent with and really derived from the bush administration approach to the war on terror and i think it's entirely sensible. >> do you agree with that? lindsey graham saying totally sensible. >> we are fighting a war that's much different than the classic and traditional wars that we have fought in the past. the result of that is the methods of fighting that war and the way that americans are involved in the...
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. >> they haven't been in the previous four years of the obama administration, the previous eight years of the bush administration, and the previous eight years of the clinton administration, i can continue to go back. so, i do not serious about negotiating. >> molly: he says the u.s. along with other nations should use covert operations to thwarted iran's nuclear development. >> kelly: thank you for that reported. >> jamie: biden's jess tur may be falling on deaf ears as iran showed their newest warplane. it's made in iran and according to the iranian military it combines the speed of a fighter jet the firepower of a bomber and can evade radar. >> kelly: for more with the continuing standoff with iran and biden's remarks on direct talks, we will be joined by former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton. he'll weigh in wisdom of engaging in such talks that some critics say it gives iran more time to develop their nuclear weapons program. >> jamie: deadly terror attack in turkey. the suspected homicide bomber or suicide bomber may have been a convicted terrorist who was serving time af
. >> they haven't been in the previous four years of the obama administration, the previous eight years of the bush administration, and the previous eight years of the clinton administration, i can continue to go back. so, i do not serious about negotiating. >> molly: he says the u.s. along with other nations should use covert operations to thwarted iran's nuclear development. >> kelly: thank you for that reported. >> jamie: biden's jess tur may be falling on deaf ears...
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a day ahead of john brennan's confirmation hearing to head the cia, the obama administration's drone program is drawing new scrutiny from both sides of the aisle and raising big questions about just how far the government should go in targeted assassinations without oversight from congress or from the courts. joining me now for our daily fix, msnbc contributor and "usa today" washington bureau chief. chris, first to you, i don't think there is any big question so far as to whether or not john brennan is going to be confirmed at least going into the hearing, but this is a real debate now. because of michael isikoff breaking the story and finding that white paper, and discovering that the justice department had at least september that much to the hill, some members, the 11 senators and at least three the committee asking big questions about why there isn't more oversight. >> what's fascinating is when they announced the trio of nominations, john kerry at state, chuck hagel at defense and john brennan for cia, i remember being on the show and saying i think hagel will be the most contro
a day ahead of john brennan's confirmation hearing to head the cia, the obama administration's drone program is drawing new scrutiny from both sides of the aisle and raising big questions about just how far the government should go in targeted assassinations without oversight from congress or from the courts. joining me now for our daily fix, msnbc contributor and "usa today" washington bureau chief. chris, first to you, i don't think there is any big question so far as to whether or...
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night the obama administration legal justification for targeting american citizens abroad was leaked to the press the details ahead. plus it's clean abundant and also a little dangerous but the risks may not stop one nuclear plant from powering up i had a look at how a company is jumpstarting its nuclear program and the chain reaction it could cause . and pushed to the limit because the u.s. military lacked the resources it needs to fight al qaeda in africa it looks like it's becoming more dependent on local african forces to do with dirty work i'll tell you why. it's tuesday january fifth february fifth excuse me four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our t.v. we begin today taking a look at drone strikes targeting american citizens a confidential justice department memo just released reveals the legal justification for the government to conduct these strikes perhaps the most controversial part of the memo is that the government does not need evidence to justify a deadly attack here's a piece of what's now being called the white papers obtained by n.b.c. so
night the obama administration legal justification for targeting american citizens abroad was leaked to the press the details ahead. plus it's clean abundant and also a little dangerous but the risks may not stop one nuclear plant from powering up i had a look at how a company is jumpstarting its nuclear program and the chain reaction it could cause . and pushed to the limit because the u.s. military lacked the resources it needs to fight al qaeda in africa it looks like it's becoming more...
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first, the obama administration is changing the rules. today, hhs announcing big changes to the very controversial contraceptive mandate. for months, religious groups blasting the obama care mandate requiring employers to provide birth control and now you to today the obama administration announcing broader rules to allow religious groups to opt out. karl rove joins us. nice to see you, karl. >> thanksers greta. >> greta: the jury is still not back so we know how everybody feels about it but the change in rule does leave out the private business owners who for maybe strong religious conviction don't want to pay for contraception. is this change going to be a good idea for everybody or put the lid on the problems? >> well, we need to see the exact wording of the rule and see its full implications. i think this may be a strategic retreat on the part of the administration. if you are a catholic university like ava maria university which filed suit not to be required as an explicitly roman catholic institution to violate its precipes you were
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in it, obama administration lawyers argue the government can kill americans believed to be top taliban leaders posing, quote, an imminent threat of attack against the united states. >> we have acknowledged the united states that sometimes we use remotely piloted aircraft to conduct targeted strikes against specific al qaeda terrorists to prevent attacks on the united states and to save american lives. we conduct those strikes because they're necessary to mitigate ongoing actual threats, to stop plots, prevent future attacks and save american lives. the strikes are legal, ethical an wise. >> but as expected, the memo coming under fire from civil rights activists because of how broadly imminent threat is defined. quote, the condition that an operational leader present an imminent threat of violent attack against the united states does not require the united states to have clear evidence that a specific attack on u.s. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future. now, the memo also has new details on legal case behind more drone strikes against al qaeda suspects. such as
in it, obama administration lawyers argue the government can kill americans believed to be top taliban leaders posing, quote, an imminent threat of attack against the united states. >> we have acknowledged the united states that sometimes we use remotely piloted aircraft to conduct targeted strikes against specific al qaeda terrorists to prevent attacks on the united states and to save american lives. we conduct those strikes because they're necessary to mitigate ongoing actual threats,...
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>> you know, the obama administration put an emphasis on alliances. and there's no question, she set out. she repaired the relationship with europeans. she brought about closer relationships with southeast asian countries in an effort to pivot towards asia and sort of create a buffer against china. but if you look at how that translates into policy, i think there is a bigger problem. sh was very go going out to a country, soothing ruffled feathers, for example, with officials in afghanistan and pakistan. and speaking out to the public. but what kind of a lasting impact did it have. for example in pakistan where i was there when she deflected criticism, angry shouts from students and she had them eating out of her hands. but in pakistan the government is still providing shelter for the taliban. and there's stillo real solid ra approachment between us and then. so it is very hard to see that her soothing, her repairing of applianc appliance-- alliances necessarily resulted in concrete policy achievements. >> suarez: susan, wasn't it a pretty complicated
>> you know, the obama administration put an emphasis on alliances. and there's no question, she set out. she repaired the relationship with europeans. she brought about closer relationships with southeast asian countries in an effort to pivot towards asia and sort of create a buffer against china. but if you look at how that translates into policy, i think there is a bigger problem. sh was very go going out to a country, soothing ruffled feathers, for example, with officials in...
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it revealed incompetence at the top of the obama administration that is breathtaking. the president not concerned with americans under attack, secretary of state's all day long never once called to ask what might be done? the idea secretary not aware for request for satiric -- security saying can we help you out? nobody is hauled in this administration with national security. not just the failure of benghazi on negative benghazi but exposing the risk of facilities, citizens and their country to attacks worldwide. these people and not doing their jobs. >> the senior people are not from ambassador stevens was doing his. and we have a hint he was trying to negotiate arms transfers perhaps that is why he was meeting with the turkish ambassador, the last meeting he had. lou: suspend critical judgment for a man who has llen in service of this country, but he was aware of the security lapse from it is noble he would assume those for himself but he did for two operatives as well try to save his life and others trying to feed these attacks much of the responsibility rests upon
it revealed incompetence at the top of the obama administration that is breathtaking. the president not concerned with americans under attack, secretary of state's all day long never once called to ask what might be done? the idea secretary not aware for request for satiric -- security saying can we help you out? nobody is hauled in this administration with national security. not just the failure of benghazi on negative benghazi but exposing the risk of facilities, citizens and their country to...
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we know that's a goal of the obama administration. it may be their most ambitious goal. they haven't made much progress toward it, even with somebody as high profile as hillary clinton being in that job. will john kerry being there have the opportunity for them to go forward? >> i'm so glad you played that clip, because i thought that line was so powerful and important. how far we are institutionally and the sea process inside the white house and the relative weight of defense in state. >> yes. >> and i think the single most important thing to getting us here is something you have written about a tremendous amount which is we need to as a country declare our state of war over. as long as we are in an active state of war, the center of gravity will be with the war machine, will be with the war planners, will be with the pentagon. it is only when the nation views itself as being at peace that diplomacy can take some kind of equal footing. until we get to place where we do something as dramatic as repealing or refusing to reauthorize, the authorization of the use of militar
we know that's a goal of the obama administration. it may be their most ambitious goal. they haven't made much progress toward it, even with somebody as high profile as hillary clinton being in that job. will john kerry being there have the opportunity for them to go forward? >> i'm so glad you played that clip, because i thought that line was so powerful and important. how far we are institutionally and the sea process inside the white house and the relative weight of defense in state....
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steven chu is stepping down, served since the beginning of the first obama administration. she -- he says he'll stay in office past the end of the month to help the white house find his successor. oil futures climbed, and strong u.s. manufacturing data, crude fell to $97.77 for the week and rose 2%. all right. coming up, states across the u.s. pushing to hike minimum wage, but businesses could slash payrolls to return the favor. breaking it down in the number crunch. plus, another nightmare looming for boeing. 23,000 of the engineers could be going on strike on top of the dreamliner fiasco. can it avoid a financial crash landing? we got the details. can you ever have too much "money"? ♪ melissa: okay. on to the always controversial issue of minimum wage, a growing number of states looking to hike the minimum wage with nine states already in connection in- in connectionin connectionincre. could this raise unemployment? with me to crunch the numbers, welcome to the show, steve. now, this is my reaction of raising the minimum wage, which sounds great, raise wages for workers
steven chu is stepping down, served since the beginning of the first obama administration. she -- he says he'll stay in office past the end of the month to help the white house find his successor. oil futures climbed, and strong u.s. manufacturing data, crude fell to $97.77 for the week and rose 2%. all right. coming up, states across the u.s. pushing to hike minimum wage, but businesses could slash payrolls to return the favor. breaking it down in the number crunch. plus, another nightmare...
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. >> they haven't been in the previous four years the obama administration the previous eight years of the bush administration and the previous eight years of clinton administration. i can continue to go back, so i do not think they he are serious about negotiating. it just gives them more time. >> reporter: the general says the u.s. along with other nations should use covert operations to thwart iran's nuclear development. gregg? >> molly henneberg. thanks. >>> the white house says it expects the senate to confirm president obama's nominee for defense secretary. white house press secretary jay carney defending former republican senator chuck hagel saying that he will be an excellent pentagon chief. now, this comes after a fiery confirmation hearing with members of the senate armed services committee. he faced some tough questions including this one from senator james imhoff. >> why do you think the rainan foreign ministry strongly supports your nomination to be the secretary of defense? >> i have a difficult enough time with american politics senator. i have no idea, but thank you. >>
. >> they haven't been in the previous four years the obama administration the previous eight years of the bush administration and the previous eight years of clinton administration. i can continue to go back, so i do not think they he are serious about negotiating. it just gives them more time. >> reporter: the general says the u.s. along with other nations should use covert operations to thwart iran's nuclear development. gregg? >> molly henneberg. thanks. >>> the...